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CLEVELAND, Ohio — Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine signed a bill this week that hampers school districts’ ability to challenge undervalued commercial property at boards of revision and is likely to shift the tax burden to residential taxpayers.
We’re talking about DeWine’s decision to sell out his constituents in favor of special interests — and what that might do to his re-election bid, on Today in Ohio.
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Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine signed the bill to save commercial property owners millions of dollars while sticking homeowners with the tab, but Laura Hancock reported some numbers that put into perspective just how much damage DeWine’s signature does to school districts. What did she find?
How likely is it that the new Cuyahoga County jail will be built on the toxic site that is the number one choice of a site selection committee?
What are the Big 4 of Cleveland cultural institutions, and how much do they say they mean to the Northeast Ohio economy?
How big was the first quarter of the year for Ohio when it comes to investment by venture capitalists? How much money was invested and in how many deals?
Statehouse reporter Andrew Tobias wrote an analysis of where the legislative gerrymandering case might go now that federal judges have said they will impose an unconstitutional map if we don’t get a sound one before May 28. What are the possibilities?
Sean McDonnell wanted to get behind the government statistics on inflation and find out where people in Northeast Ohio are getting hit the hardest by price increases. What did he find?
How does a well-known left-leaning think tank in Northeast Ohio think a big bunch of stimulus dollars should be spent?
A Cleveland attorney used a variation on the dog-ate-my-homework defense as he tried to hold on to his law license. What did he claim, and did it work?
Saturday is Record Store Day, when people who love analog music on vinyl can get rare releases. So how many record stores do we have in Northeast Ohio?
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Chris: [00:00:00] Today’s a significant day in our newsroom. No, not because it’s our day. It is earth day. Great day. We should think about the earth. It is our final day as a newsroom at 1801 superior where the plain dealer newsroom has been for decades. Uh, there is a building that opened there in 2001. Moving out of the last day for people to clear out their things is today.
And I counted it up. There’s less than two dozen people who were here when the building opened, who are here as it closes. I put them into my subtext account this morning, but my argument is, it’s not about the. It’s about the people. And we have great ones it’s today in Ohio, the news podcast discussion from and.com and the plain dealer I’m here with my colleagues, some of those great wounds, Lisa Garvin, Laila, Tassie, Courtney Staffie you got none of, you know, this building when it opened, but are you feeling some melancholy after having spent time there?
Leila: Yeah, [00:01:00] I spent my entire career working out of that before. Until the last couple of years,
Chris: she, I just, I don’t feel that at all. Go ahead, Lisa. No, I
Lisa: was going to say as a, as an editorial board member, I was only down there once or twice a week, but I I’m really gonna miss going to that. It, it
Chris: looked, it was a great building, very dynamic.
We moved in, we filled the whole thing and now we don’t even fill a corner, uh, because of the way the fortunes of media have changed. But, um, so I’m glad it’s going to be populated. It’ll it’ll have lots of people in it that help build the economy of that section of town. Our newsroom remains because it is about the people let’s be.
Ohio governor Mike DeWine signed the bill to save commercial property owners, millions of dollars while sticking homeowners with the tab. But Lauren Hancock reported some numbers that put this into perspective about just how much damage DeWine signature does the school districts laying Alara Hancock had been working on a story for a while to put this [00:02:00] all into perspective.
So she was loaded with detail on the. Penn to the bill. Yeah, this
Leila: is bad. Bad, bad. The wine. Yeah. He went ahead. Sign that bill, that hamstrings, a school districts from challenging. Undervalued properties at boards of revisions. And Laura’s reporting tells us that in the Cleveland school district, that could result in an 80% reduction from what the district on average has recently won in property tax disputes, that the Cuyahoga county board of revision, according to CMS D the district has challenged or defended the.
Of $43.1 million in property from 2015 to 2020, an average of $7.2 million a year at the Cayuga county board of revision. If house bill 1 26 would have been logged during those. The district would have been able to gain or retain only $7.3 million in values or an average of $1.2 million a year. So, you know, a group known as [00:03:00] they Ohio eight made up of superintendents and teacher union presidents from, from eight urban school districts, including Cleveland.
Had asked a wine for Vito based on facts like that. And they said that the bill would make it more difficult to defend challenges to those existing revenue streams and, and our, our districts would be unable to offset the loss from filing increased complaints and also the changes that could likely result in the annual loss of millions of dollars and increased tax burden on both homeowners and those commercial property owners whose valuation is fairly established.
Those pleas fell on deaf ears.
Chris: I, and I want to point out this is. Taking extra money from commercial property owners. This is about the school board, making sure they pay the actual value of their building. Mike DeWine is going to stop that he did with that. Signature’s stopping the ability of school districts to make sure people pay what they owe.
It’s a remarkable, [00:04:00] remarkable move. I mean, and it’s anti city. I mean, I th w we all know that. Columbus state house and in the governor’s office for a decade now they’ve been sticking it to the cities to benefit rural areas. But I, this is amazing. I mean, I, this gives the democratic candidate for governor some really good material for the campaign heading into November.
Mike DeWine is in the pocket of commercial property owners. I don’t get it.
Leila: Yeah. You know, what’s sad to me is that most people are kind of chalking this up to well, you know, DeWine is a Republican and he’s facing a primary in may and he’s trying to appease all the special interests. And you would think that that would have led him to do the right thing by his constituents and veto this thing.
But instead he’s just kind of hoping that, that his constituents aren’t paying attention. He’s counting on them, not understanding what harm this will inflict upon them. And he just wants to, I guess, spoonfeed them, the Republican talking points. Like the [00:05:00] one from the Ohio chamber of commerce guy who said, you know how spill 1 26 will no longer allow school districts to challenge the decisions of local government officials to squeeze additional government funding from real property owners.
I mean, that sounds, that sounds like that, you know, would play well with most. Uh, most Republican voters, but that’s not that that’s, that’s not how it’s going to affect their real lives. I mean, they’re, they’re actually going to be hurting from
Chris: this. Yeah. I mean, I, I just can’t imagine that Cranley or Whaley won’t use this in their campaign.
I also got, imagine there’ll be a lawsuit, right? The districts will Sue. I mean, this is an unconstitutional taking from homeowners. You’re, you’re basically creating a class of people that don’t have to pay their fair share. With this bill and that is a constitutional issue. So I suspect that they’re already talking about it.
I look, I get why the legislature does it. The legislature, as we know, through HB six [00:06:00] completely can be bought and paid for Mike DeWine signing. That is a surprise. I mean, that does cross a line to do special favors. It’s HB six all over again. Right. You signed a bill to give tons of money from, from Ohioans to.
Private utility, I guess, I guess there’s a precedent, Mike, Dwayne signed that bill too. So I guess he’s got a history now of stealing money from basic residents and putting it into the pockets of wealthy businesses, a shocker you’re listening to today. How likely is it that the new Cuyahoga county jail will be built on the toxic site?
That is the number one choice of a site selection committee. Courtney. There were a lot of caveats put onto this that makes it sound like this will be a slow walk
Courtney: now. Yeah. Well, while they, while the steering committee deciding the fate of the jail did sign off on the site, you know, to continue vetting it and checking it out.
That’s contingent on a, on a bunch of things. Um, [00:07:00] probably most importantly of which are the environmental factors we’ve been talking about for a few weeks. Now, the site is the former location of a standard oil refinery and members of the committee by approving these amendments kind of wanted to make sure that these environmental factors were remediated.
Before, you know, we put shovels in the ground and, and it was crafted in such a way that, that the decision is contingent on whether those environmental factors are, are okay in the future. Before we move on.
Chris: Yeah. What, what was interesting about this is there originally was going to be a vote on this site.
And then a group of people met with Cornell Jones, the council president to say, look, let’s work out something. And so they built in what they call this phase two environmental test before they go any further. So w w people will know exactly what’s in the ground there exactly what it’ll cost to clean.
Because the volleys, these fears, they didn’t pass that [00:08:00] at their next meeting because there was a, we had discovered the 40 years ago, the state wouldn’t build a prison there. And so that became very controversial, but they did a couple of other things yesterday as well. That will impede the movement on this until everybody’s sure.
Right. They want a better, you’ve
Courtney: got what are so part of, part of what the group is still going to do now is continue investigating other sites. That was supposed to be kind of put to bed with this vote, but they’re going to still keep looking at other places. And they also agreed to have more community engagement on potential jail sites in the future.
You know, there’s been an outcry that, that the people really haven’t had a voice on whether they think these are good locations. And then thirdly, um, they’re going to compel a third party, quote, fair and unbiased review of whether. The current facility downtown can be renovated. Now the committee years ago already looked at that option, [00:09:00] even even held some stuff up back years ago to further vet that option, but they want more vetting of that option now.
Well, because
Leila: they’re there, there’s at least one member of the committee who wasn’t on the committee back then, right? Well, yeah,
Courtney: there’s a new public defender now. So his predecessor was there. And part of that, he just personally, wasn’t, there’s some other new folks on the committee, just turn of office, turn of leadership, new faces.
Now
Chris: part of this though, is there is a rising. Set of voices saying, why can’t we make the old one work? You hear that from candidates for county, executive and elsewhere. And so this committee wants to put that to bed. You know what they have working against them. You know, we think about the jail in the recent years where people were dying and the conditions are bad and the guards have been bringing in drugs.
It’s been, it’s been a disaster, but the jail that building. 40 years without that controversy for 40 years, it operated without having people die in large numbers and all the [00:10:00] misbehavior. It w it does not fit modern jailing practices. It’s not efficient. You could save a lot of money on personnel. If you have a, a two-story jail that’s spread out and, you know, we’ve done stories, explaining all that.
But there’s, there’s a group of people now saying half a billion dollars is a lot of money. Can’t we make it work. It always did. I think having a third party do it takes out all the conflicts that exist. And the third party I suspect is going to look at it and say, are you kidding? You know, this is antiquated technology.
It’s not even well-made get out of it. Build a
Courtney: new jail. Yeah. There’s, there’s all sorts of security concerns related to building a vertical jail. That was the practice back in the day, decades ago. But research, you know, a vertical jail doesn’t let inmates like really get much sunshine and think about what that does for your mental health when you’re locked in a box for, for months on end.
Um, you know, the current jail doesn’t allow for in pod. That’s the area where inmates are kept medical [00:11:00] care. This new jail anticipates easier access to medical, mental health care. So while the current one sure could be retrofitted, it would just flout a lot of best practices. It’s.
Chris: I, I do get the feeling though, that all of these caveats that have been put in will slow this down.
So they won’t get a shovel in the ground this year, which is some of them wanted it to, so that the next administration, which is going to have to see this through. We’ll have some say, you know, ugly, Wineguard doesn’t want to build a jail, but he’s a Republican. So he’s got a snowball’s chance of hell winning Chris.
Ronayne the Democrat who would seem to be the odds on favorite here? Uh, I think does recognize a new jail is needed, but he’s going to want to make sure fiscal responsibility is in play and there whole lot of people that don’t trust that that exist right now. So getting it to the next administration.
Uh, probably isn’t the worst idea. I got the
Leila: sense that, I mean, this is a five-hour long [00:12:00] meeting. I think the choices. This, this coming up with this crazy plan that tries to appease everybody or dissolve this committee because it will be literally okay. They unanimously voted to, to continue vetting this property.
And this is our. Except we’re also going to vet other sites and we’re going to have a review of whether we can go forward with the current site and, and renovate that site. And we’re also good. I mean, it’s like, there’s so many, there’s so many other, I mean, it’s like something for everybody built into this and I think they had to do that or they weren’t going to leave that room.
Yeah. Yeah.
Courtney: Definitely.
Chris: And there were people in the audience that were applauding that they took these moves. I mean, it was nice to see the public show up to register its feelings on what’s going on. Look, I think this comes down to a lack of trust. Nobody trusts this administration because of all of its fumbling over the last eight years.
I think [00:13:00] that’s in the background for a whole lot of people. So we’ll see. It was an interesting solution. I, I imagine that the people that want the jail to be in that site will try to rush these things that will be hard to do it’s today in Ohio. What are the big four of Cleveland cultural institutions and how much do they say they mean to the Northwest Ohio economy?
I always have skepticism. Lisa, when you get studies by people who say, look how much we’re worth to the economy. But I have to say it does look like the science behind this one is probably saying. Yes.
Lisa: And it’s Northeast Ohio that we’re talking about. This was a report that was done by done by tourism economics, which is a division of Oxford economics about the year 2019, and no surprises here.
The big four cultural institutions are the Cleveland orchestra Playhouse square, the Cleveland museum of art and the rock hall of fame all on the east side, just saying. So they said in this report that there were 2.6 million attendees. Uh, to these institutions, [00:14:00] 1.4 million outside of Cuyahoga county, $800 million in economic impact.
1 million overnight stays, um, 317 million in offsite, food and beverage purchases, lodging retail, and then a half a billion dollars in direct local spending. So, you know, the, the money though, the numbers are there, they also, you know, employ 6,800 people with a payroll of $261 million.
Chris: Yeah. And this of course comes, I think as plans are being made to figure out a way to replace the dwindling cigarette tax that supports the arts.
So they’re showing look how much this is valued at. It’s a good return on the investment. I expect. We’ll start to see some discussion soon on the tax vaping, or do you think. Marijuana. We’ll see.
Lisa: Also the Ohio citizens for arts did a study and this is, you know, for the entire arts and culture scene in Northeast, [00:15:00] Ohio.
And they found that arts in this area is an $18 billion payroll with a 329,000 jobs involved in arts and culture jobs.
Chris: Okay, you’re listening to today in Ohio. How big was it the first quarter of the year for Ohio? When it comes to investment by venture capitalists, how much money was invested in, in how many different deals?
Layla? A good news story for Ohio, uh,
Leila: reporters, Sean McDonald reports that just over $900 million was. Across 48 venture capital deals in Ohio in the first three months of 2022. That’s one of the biggest quarters for the state in recent history. The dollar amount raised in, in 2020 twos. First three months has only been exceeded one time when $1.2 billion was raised in the second quarter of 2021.
Otherwise it’s the most money invested in a quarter since at least 20 14 2 deals in the Cincinnati area. And one involving society [00:16:00] brands from Jackson township led the state. Each of those had over $200 million invested society brands specifically had 200, $4 million. That’s the Amazon aggregator. They announced the largest fundraising round in the region.
The company plans to put that money to, uh, to work acquiring brands that, that sell on Amazon. You know, the list is full of just, you know, amazing, brilliant ideas. It’s awesome that this stuff is coming out of Ohio, but, uh, here’s a couple examples from, from Shawn’s list Cleveland kitchen, which is formerly known as Cleveland crowd.
I love Cleveland crowd, so I’m so excited about this. They’re a fermented foods company and they have grown into a national brand. They’ve landed at number 341 on ink dot coms list of five. Fastest growing private companies, uh, their investment with 17 million METI view XR, a $10 million investment. The Cleveland based MedTech company uses augmented reality to create surgical [00:17:00] navigation and tele procedure platforms.
That software basically gives surgeons a 3d x-ray that shows the inside of a patient and their internal anatomy to a surgeon. Awesome. And then ortho brain, which I know we’ve written about and talked about $9 million investment. That’s a orthodontists led tech, a startup that brings braces to more people using software and artificial intelligence.
And the company was kind of created to help kind of, um, bridge the, uh, um, the shortage of orthodontists by, um, you know, uh, helping dentists provide orthodontics like traditional braces and clear aligners, uh, to more people. So. Yeah, just great stuff.
Lisa: Good news.
Chris: It’s the kind of story that we weren’t doing a year ago and we realized we needed to have a business reporter and Sean has just done a tremendous job giving that perspective to our coverage.
Good story by him. We’ll be talking about another and a bit it’s today in Ohio. State house reporter, [00:18:00] Andrew Tobias read an analysis of where the legislative gerrymandering case might go. Now that federal judges have said they will impose the unconstitutional map. If we don’t get a sound one before May 28th, Courtney, what are the possibilities?
Courtney: Yeah, so it sounds like the most likely possibility here is. The Republicans on the redistricting commission are just going to not agree to meet until that deadline. And then boom, we get the unconstitutional map thanks to the federal court. So it, it doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of options here. You know, Andrew reported that, you know, the Dem the Democrats on the resisting commission have few options.
They can try and get their colleagues on the Republican side of the aisle or on the. To me, but the Republicans don’t really have much incentive to meet as a bill site, Cincinnati Republican who’s in house leadership. He tweeted. Too bad. So sad. We went again, the [00:19:00] game’s over you lost. So it seems like,
Chris: uh, bill sites, the long time and continuing supporter of the corrupt house, bill six.
Very good judgment. There, there is. There is the chance. If that’s what happens, the Republicans do nothing. The three judge panel does what it says. There’s an audit. There’s a direct appeal to the U S Supreme court. So I imagine that the people that have been fighting this would take this to the us Supreme court, because why not?
I also wonder whether Maureen O’Connor will use the powers of contempt of court to force the Republicans to do what they’re supposed to do, which is to meet, I mean, to completely defy the orders of the court. They have that may deadline coming up. I, I just, I can’t imagine given what’s gone on so far that she would say, okay, I’m done.
Let it go. No, Andrew
Courtney: reported. Yeah. The Supreme court could pursue contempt, but as recently as [00:20:00] last week, it rejected requests to do that. So maybe this does change her tune or, or maybe not.
Chris: Well, there is the may, whatever it is, second or third deadline for the commission to come back with the honest map.
So that’s well in advance of the May 20th deadline. So if they don’t do it, I think they’re going to be in trouble. I, I just, I don’t see Maureen, O’Connor having gotten this far down the road saying yeah. Okay. Let it go. We’ll see. It’s a good story by Andrew. Check it out on cleveland.com and you’re listening to today.
All. Sean McDonald wanted to get behind the government’s statistics on inflation and find out where people in Northeast Ohio were getting hit hardest by prices increases. We ran the story today and I already got a complaint from a reader saying, why is bad news like that on the front page? Because inside the paper, you had a story saying unemployment is the lowest.
It is in 40 years. My answer is, this is what local people are telling us. And they have problems with price [00:21:00] increases. Lisa, what did Sean find?
Lisa: Well, he looked at 108 responses that were gleaned from your letter, from the editor subtext account. And he went after and talked to some of them to find out what their, what their issues were with inflation and how it was affecting their lives out of those 108.
66 said food and grocery bills effected them the most. And so if you look at the bureau of labor statistics on inflation, food prices are up 8.8% for March, 2021 to 2022. Some of the people that Sean talked to and then. Reached out to Chris said that one, a vegan woman said produce prices are outrageous and they are they’re up 8.1%.
Another person says that their grocery bill has risen by 75 to a hundred dollars every week. Another person said bacon is now five and $6 instead of three 50 in bacon and sausage over. Is up 16.5%. [00:22:00] According to the bureau of labor statistics, meat is up almost 15% overall. Another woman said I used to buy a lettuce for 99 cents ahead.
Now it’s $3 ahead. And this was kind of interesting. A, another reader said, well, chicken wings are three times higher. And he said that chicken wings are the mother of all economic barometer. So they’re hot. That’s bad.
Chris: Yeah, I was, Sean had a good idea. He didn’t want to talk about it in Agra. He wanted to hear what people had to say.
So we put the message out on the subtext and got a lot of, I mean, they’re always so helpful. The people that get that with Sean read, so saw a lot of, was people on fixed incomes, retirees who are watching their buying power, doing nobody else. Some, you know, some other things like the guy who can’t buy tubes for his guitar amps, because the prices have gone so high, partly because of what the blockade with Russia.
Um, but it, but you really did get a sense that people are feeling it they’re feeling it big and they don’t know what to do, [00:23:00] which I’ve been saying for a few months. I think this is going to factor into the county executives election. ‘cause one of the things we hear all the time is the people in the county administration never think about the taxes.
They’re about to make a permanent increase to the sales tax and all these people on fixed incomes are dead set against it. It’ll be interesting to see if Lee Wineguard who the Republican running. And as I said, snowball’s chance is able to, to capitalize on that in such a way where he gets so much.
Lisa: And other areas where people complained about or saw inflation.
Cause I don’t want us to complain say that’s that’s too strong. Um, but yeah, medicine and healthcare products, things like prescriptions or, or like contact lens, solution, or other things that you buy, you know, at the drug store, home improvement paint has gone up garden supplies, lawn care services, cleaning supplies, you know, like laundry detergent and so on is up 8.7%.
Pet food is jumped nearly [00:24:00] 6%.
Chris: And one of the reasons for this let’s point out that a lot of employers have been forced to raise wages, to get employees. Wages have been stagnant for 20 years and people getting a workable income is a good idea. The people who suffer as a result of this are the ones that are on fixed incomes and cannot meet the rising costs.
It’s today. How does a well known, left leaning think tank in Northeast Ohio think a bunch of stimulus dollars should be spent. Layla. We have our stimulus watch reporter in the house. We’ve got her third replacement. So we’re back on this. Yes.
Leila: First of all, I just want to take a moment to welcome to our staff reporter Lucas who joins us.
The state newspaper and Columbia, South Carolina, where he covered higher education. He’s now our new stimulus watch reporter. We are so happy to have him on board. This was his debut story for us. So, yeah. Welcome Lucas. Uh, policy matters, Ohio. They released recommendations Thursday. Now that ARPA [00:25:00] funds are really starting to flow into state and city coffers.
And, and frankly, now that we’re starting to see some, some ill-advised uses of that money county council slush funds, um, excuse me, at a tickle in my throat. Um, the, uh, the recommendations, uh, from, from the think tank include providing. Premium pay for frontline workers, enforcing laws that bar employers from committing wage theft, providing paid family and medical leave for public employees, helping low-income families and childcare workers pay for childcare, criminal justice, justice reform measures.
Um, and investing in mental health resources and things like that. Policy matters provided examples of programs throughout Ohio and the country that could be used as a foundation for local programs. One example was Franklin county’s rise program, which provides scholarships up to $10,000 per year for low income families to.
Help afford childcare. And another example was Columbus’s program to [00:26:00] provide a thousand dollars signing bonuses to childcare workers whose low wages. Aren’t always enough to make ends meet. And Northeast Ohio got a nod in the recommendations as a policy matter, sighted Cleveland and shaker Heights programs that equipped first responders with training and resources that they need to manage mental height, health crises, and Northeast Ohio.
Alone. Uh, you know, we’re here to talking about $1.6 billion in ARPA money. Lucas has another story coming this weekend about how much cities are spending on consultants to help them make these decisions. So we will take all the free advice we can get from for ballsy matters and other things
Chris: digs. But just to be clear that the Polish matters did not recommend slush funds right
Leila: there.
Wasn’t a subhead slush funds.
Chris: I have a feeling that slush funds might be in violation of the charter. We’ll have to see you’re listening to today in Ohio, a Cleveland attorney [00:27:00] used the variation of the dog, ate my homework defense. As he tried to hold on to his law license. Courtney, what did he claim and did it.
Courtney: No. So, uh, Kenneth Nelson, the second of Avon, like tried to, so he, he’s kind of on the hook for these allegations that he didn’t put client’s retainer fees into a trust. As he’s required to do by the state’s rules of professional conduct for attorneys. And, um, you know, he basically said that there’s an exemption to those rules that lets them hang on to, to the retainer fees, as long as paperwork’s exchange with the clients, you know, kind of a, a notice about that.
And he, uh, produced one fee agreement of 18. And then he said the other 17 agreement were lost in a box that went missing after him and his assistant, like flood his downtown office and made the 20, 20 George George Floyd [00:28:00] protests. And the court didn’t buy it.
Chris: Yeah. I mean, the hardest thing to believe is that he was working on a Saturday.
Right. So, cause that’s when the protest was. Yeah, it was, it was kind of a lame defense. You gotta salute, I guess, is enterprise. No dice it’s today in Ohio, let’s do one more today’s earth day, but Saturday is record store day. When people who love analog music on vinyl can get rare releases. Lisa, how many record stores do we have in Northeast, Ohio?
And I’m sure you remember growing up when they were on every.
Lisa: I do. And I’m amazed to find out and gratified to find out that there are still 24 independent record stores in Northeast, Ohio, both new and old, of course, the granddaddy of them all. And I’m very biased because I spent much of my childhood here was record revolution at 1832 Coventry road.
It opened back in 1967 and they used to have several storefronts and they’ve shrunk down to [00:29:00] one, but they’ve hung up. Throughout this. And then they managed to ride the wave of vinyl resurgence. In recent years. We also have another oldie, but goodie time, traveler records and Mar on market street in Akron, they’ve been open 40 years and then a couple of new ones.
Uh there’s. Uh, shepherd records at 97, 12 Madison avenue in Cleveland that was opened this year by Emma Shepherd and her dad, Scott owns time traveler records in Akron. So yeah, some people are getting into the game as, as new players and managing to, you know, make.
Chris: Many of you listen to vinyl.
Lisa: I still do.
Absolutely.
Leila: But I do not. Your husband collects. He
Courtney: does. And I’ve got my, dad’s got a giant collection. I used to go to stores with him as a kid.
Lisa: Yeah. Yeah. Record revolution. My dad had a huge jazz collection and he bought a lot of his stuff at record revolution. One day I went in there, thumbing through the racks, you know, [00:30:00] looking for, you know, some rock and roll album.
And the guy says, are you Dr. Garvin’s daughter? And I said, yeah, how did you know. Y’all look alike to us.
Chris: All right, we’ll leave it there. You’re listening to today in Ohio, that’s it for a Friday discussion and thanks Lisa, Layla and Courtney. And thank you for listening to this podcast. Come on back Monday, we’ll be talking about the news then.
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